23 Comments

Arzoo Said,
March 9th, 2008 @11:52 am  

You seriously going to rub it in his face…. This is like the third or perhaps fourth post I saw against Steyn’s beliefs :-)

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Arzoo Said,
March 9th, 2008 @11:59 am  

Where’s part 2?

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March 9th, 2008 @12:35 pm  

OK, let me return the favour:

Of course, I understand it’s easier for you to throw up more quotes, rather than to actually respond to the points I raised

Hint: you might be able to make a better argument and avoid misquoting and mischaracterizing Steyn’s work if you actually bothered to read his book (still waiting for your apology…).

FYI, Steyn, like Daniel Pipes http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=162281 Tarek Fatah, and many others, makes clear distinctions between moderate Muslims and Muslims like Krekar. No one, Steyn included, has argued that all Muslims are terrorists, plotting to attack us. That’s a pretty silly distortion of Steyn’s views.

Oh well. At least you attributed the mosquitoes quote to the right person this time!

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Vlad Said,
March 10th, 2008 @4:02 pm  

Actually Chris, your comment was picked up as spam and never posted because you posted so many external links to your own blog.

I’ll be glad to post your comment, will need to edit those links though.

But you of coarse don’t care about that and will continue to make false accusations…”Right Wing Death Beast” indeed.

UPDATE: I took at look at the Akismet Spam blocker and edited the comment a little to get rid of the links, still included one links and now it seems to work (I won’t hold my breath for an apology from Chris)

I think its kinda funny that even Akismet from Wordpress catches your comments as spam though, I tend to agree.

mygif
March 10th, 2008 @4:17 pm  

Fair enough, but if you ever do decide to try and respond to my arguments, do it on my site just to be safe.

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March 10th, 2008 @4:32 pm  

BTW, I won’t apologize because I don’t believe you. The links were fine both before and after your “moderation” — you have simply decided to delete the links to my earlier post, with that embarrassing exchange about polling (among other things).

Delete this too if you want, I’m posting it to my site as well.

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Vlad Said,
March 10th, 2008 @4:53 pm  

I just tested it and tried to post lots of links (about 7 links) and the Akismet Wordpress anti-spam protection blocked my comment as well.

Try it out for your self, after you’ve refreshed the page, the comment will disappear.

Don’t worry, I don’t expect you to apologies for false accusations…that must be against your “right wing beast” nature?

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March 10th, 2008 @5:17 pm  

Whoops, your spam-blocker just deleted my post again!

I’ll try one last time:

One problem: My accusations are not false. I posted four links, not seven. And both before you deleted the post, and after it re-appeared, all four links were there. Now only one is, and you’ve also deleted my question about Tarek Fatah.

Really, do I need to post screenshots?

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Vlad Said,
March 10th, 2008 @5:17 pm  

Chris, it blocked your comment again even with the one link of your site, take a look for your self:

http://www.vladglebov.com/screenshot_spam.png

I’ll try to find out why its doing that. I think it just does not like your website.

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March 10th, 2008 @5:26 pm  

Again, I just don’t believe you. Your own screenshot proves my point. Even with your 7 links, it gives you the option to approve the post.

There was no need to cut out my links, or my question about Tarek Fatah. That’s okay though… I know you have no intention of answering it.

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Vlad Said,
March 10th, 2008 @5:37 pm  

If the Anti-Spam software thinks your links are spam, its not my fault (I don’t know why, I’ll have to look into it when I have time).

Your accusation on your website about me deleting your post is false…. and common Chris, you should know better, if I didn’t delete the previous nonsense you posted when you were trying to be a lot more offensive, why would I start now? I deleted those links to make sure that was the problem and I was right. Clearly, anyone wanting to link to your site could just click on your name.

When you answer my arguments, I’ll try to spend some time looking at yours…. its kinda hard to take anything you write seriously though with the blog description that says: “Right Wing Death Beast and Climate Holocaust Denier Extraordinaire”

Anyway, I am off to study for my Law & Eco test.

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March 10th, 2008 @5:47 pm  

If you had actually read any of Steyn’s work (instead of accepting the lies of the notorious Jew-haters at the CIC), you would know that the “Right Wing Death Beast” and “Climate Holocaust Denier” bits are references to Steyn’s articles. They’re, uh, “jokes.”

Anyone interested can check my site for my original posts — with all links, text, and questions unedited by Vlad.

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Vlad Said,
March 10th, 2008 @5:47 pm  

one more thing, I take your point with the question you asked, I was trying to delete the html code in the post so I might have deleted that by accident… but I guess you turned it into a conspiracy theory on your blog lol

I think this proves that even when the facts are starring you straight in the face… you see whatever it is you want to see.

At this point if you won’t retract your conspiracy theory, I think its safe to say all your credibility is lost.

mygif
March 10th, 2008 @5:51 pm  

What conspiracy theory, exactly?

I wrote that you edited inconvenient links and questions out of my post. And, uh, you did.

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Shaila Said,
March 11th, 2008 @9:11 pm  

HA HA HA! I cannot believe Chris. You think you can seriously win any argument against Vlad? Like, really, he even has a screen shot.

Anyhow, back to the actual points, Steyn is in deep waters with the Muslim community because of his comments. Every circle I tread in, whether it be a book club, a political action committee, he has successfully lodged his name as a “racist” in the greater Muslim community, in my opinion. Note: I am not speaking on behalf of the Muslim community, but stating my opinion on what I have observed.

Right now, defending Mark Steyn, is putting one self in the same league as him, possibly being identified as a “racist” also.

mygif
March 11th, 2008 @10:28 pm  

Actually, the screenshot proves my point (given the option to “Approve” or “Edit” Vlad picked “Edit”). Sorry, but wordpress doesn’t force you to edit posts.

Anyhow, it’s nice to hear your views on Steyn, based largely on the CIC’s complaint against him. What’s your opinion of the CIC, and its leader, who thinks all Israeli Jews are legitimate targets for suicide bombers?

mygif
March 11th, 2008 @10:34 pm  

But I guess you’re not worried about putting yourselves in the “same league” with Mohamed Elmasry…

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Vlad Said,
March 12th, 2008 @12:54 am  

Chris, with all due respect, and right now there is little due. You have zero credibility. Maybe when you retract the crazy conspiracy theory you put forward, I’ll read what you have to say IF you include some credible sources.

Otherwise I suggest you go back to your “right wing beast” blog.

mygif
March 12th, 2008 @8:12 am  

I never alleged any conspiracy, so there is nothing to retract.

Here is the transcript of your hero’s comments:

http://www.montrealmuslimnews.net/fulltranscript.htm

Here’s the relevant bit:

Michael Coren: So any one over 18 in Israel is a valid target.

Elmasry: Anybody above 18 is a part of the Israeli army.

Michael Coren: So everyone in Israel, so anyone and everyone, irrespective of gender, over the age of 18, in Israel is a valid target?

Elmasry: Yes

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Vlad Said,
March 12th, 2008 @3:15 pm  

Chris, you have zero credibility not only because you make up crazy conspiracy theories (I am still waiting for you to retract the accusation that I deleted your comment) but also because you blindly support Mark Steyn, someone who speaks against multiculturalism and tolerance towards others.

That being said, I clearly don’t agree with what Elmasry said, in fact its unacceptable, and he later apologized for what he said (by the way Chris didn’t quote the transcript properly: “Elmasry: Yes [if they are part of the army]“).

Those comments were condemned by both Muslims and Jews after they were made and they don’t represent the views of CIC, Chris is attempting to use the same strategy as Steyn to try to take one quote and smear all Muslims with it.

Here is part of Elmasry’s apology:

“It has always been a core belief of mine that killing civilians — any civilians for any cause — is an immoral act of the worst kind and I will never change in this conviction,” - Mr. Elmasry

“Failing to articulate my beliefs clearly, completely, and forcefully on that occasion was the biggest mistake in my 30 years of public life.”- Mr. Elmasry

Elmasry apologized for his comments, where is Steyn’s apology for spreading hate propaganda against Muslims?

Chris you also overlooked that in that same interview, Adam Aptowitzer, now former Ontario chairman of B’nai Brith Canada’s Institute for International Affairs, stated that “When Israel uses terror . . . to destroy a home and convince people . . . to be terrified of what the possible consequences are, I’d say that’s an acceptable use to terrify somebody.” (btw, I don’t think thats the view of the Canadian Jewish community or even the B’nai Birth Institute)

Do you agree with those comments Chris? Answer as clearly as I did.

mygif
March 13th, 2008 @3:08 pm  

This argument about “links and comments being deleted and such” is one of the most useless arguments I ever read. Vlad, why did you even bothering answering Chris? The way I see it, its your site and you can post whatever comments you wish to post…..And you actually bothered answering him? And Chris you didn’t give it up either? If you really wanted your links to show up, then next time, post them one by one. It has happened several times to me as well. If someone puts like 4 links or more in the comments, it actually gets caught in spam…. Sheesh! much ado about nothing…..

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`Umar (Omar) Said,
May 9th, 2008 @5:08 am  

I know i’m a bit late in my comments, but the issue of islamophobia is something that’s been bothering me lately, more so nowadays since i’m becoming more politically oriented. A few months ago Mark Steyn’s article on Macleans was brought to my attention by a friend of mine. I took a look at it and it was very long and complicated, which discouraged me from reading it any further. However, Vlad’s elucidation on the article is eye-opening and i thank him for his efforts, and encourage him to continue being scrutinous.

I came across a comment on youtube once and a particular fellow said something along the same lines as Steyn, though it was not as cryptic. The youtube user said very bluntly and in an aggressive fashion that Muslims are sexually wanton and are trying to take over the world. The youtube user explains how Muslims are trying to take over, and he, like Steyn, said that by procreating more children and exploiting their minority rights. It is an interesting suggestion, but whether it can be proved or not is another question. However, say if it is true, then in that case, every large minority community that is known to have many offspring per family would have to ‘charged’ of trying to take over the world. Another question I have when people make such claims regarding muslims is: who is the muslim community defined by? There is no clergy in Islam like the Catholic church and there are dozens of different views held by Muslim scholars

(The fact you often hear on CNN or FOX news the term “Muslim clerics” is very misleading, suggesting all muslims believe in a particular view expressed by a particular imam in a region oppressed by corrupt western policy. For a person to hold that imam as representative of Islam would be like me holding a crazy evangelical in the south as representative of Christianity).

Steyn is no different to me then the above case I just described (i.e., very unscholarly and biased) and after viewing his clip on multiculturalism, he proves to be more ignorant then I imagined. In the clip Steyn says that multiculturalism means to hold no opinion or idea about your own identity, but to resign into whatever anyone tells you. He associates multiculturalism with a lack of will and thought. It’s very disturbing to hear someone actually argue this because multiculturalism is about respect and acceptance of others, without changing your one’s own identity. This leads me to conclude that Steyn must not be familiar with the idea and experience of ‘tolerating differences’. He, in another words, is a bigot.

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